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	<title>Comments on: Three Phases of Programmer Development</title>
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	<description>Web Application Engineers</description>
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		<title>By: Pat Branley</title>
		<link>http://www.webapper.com/blog/index.php/2008/04/09/three-phases-of-programmer-development/comment-page-1/#comment-708</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat Branley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I normally think of those phase 2 people as &#039;programmers&#039; and the phase 3 people as &#039;developers&#039;.

Its not how you get to the solution so much, its the solving the problem within budget thats important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I normally think of those phase 2 people as &#8216;programmers&#8217; and the phase 3 people as &#8216;developers&#8217;.</p>
<p>Its not how you get to the solution so much, its the solving the problem within budget thats important.</p>
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		<title>By: James Buckingham</title>
		<link>http://www.webapper.com/blog/index.php/2008/04/09/three-phases-of-programmer-development/comment-page-1/#comment-705</link>
		<dc:creator>James Buckingham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daryl,

An interesting article, thanks. I thought I&#039;d let you know that I&#039;ve included this as part of a discussion we&#039;ve got going at the Scottish ColdFusion User Group just now. URL: http://tinyurl.com/3w7x4z

Some feedback on there as well :-)

James</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daryl,</p>
<p>An interesting article, thanks. I thought I&#8217;d let you know that I&#8217;ve included this as part of a discussion we&#8217;ve got going at the Scottish ColdFusion User Group just now. URL: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/3w7x4z" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/3w7&#215;4z</a></p>
<p>Some feedback on there as well <img src='http://www.webapper.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>James</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Guido</title>
		<link>http://www.webapper.com/blog/index.php/2008/04/09/three-phases-of-programmer-development/comment-page-1/#comment-706</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Guido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.

Less *is* more. I share your notions on (some) ORM&#039;s. What is the point of using an ORM if it creates *more* work and *reduces* object cohesion? What does that really buy you? The whole point of frameworks is to improve maintenance, simplify things, speed up development, make apps run better etc. etc. In short, make your life easier. That is precisely why ROR and Django are such a big hits.


I saw this quote on Django here:

http://www.atomeo.com/2008/04/get-ready-for-google-apps-engine-learn.html

&quot;This short list contains all that you need to get going. Grab your favourite editor and marvel at how easy web development can be. You&#039;ll be mocking your J2EE-toiling friends in no time.&quot;


WTF? CF have been doing that for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.</p>
<p>Less *is* more. I share your notions on (some) ORM&#8217;s. What is the point of using an ORM if it creates *more* work and *reduces* object cohesion? What does that really buy you? The whole point of frameworks is to improve maintenance, simplify things, speed up development, make apps run better etc. etc. In short, make your life easier. That is precisely why ROR and Django are such a big hits.</p>
<p>I saw this quote on Django here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.atomeo.com/2008/04/get-ready-for-google-apps-engine-learn.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atomeo.com/2008/04/get-ready-for-google-apps-engine-learn.html</a></p>
<p>&quot;This short list contains all that you need to get going. Grab your favourite editor and marvel at how easy web development can be. You&#8217;ll be mocking your J2EE-toiling friends in no time.&quot;</p>
<p>WTF? CF have been doing that for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant! I think the same logic can be used about OS choice as well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant! I think the same logic can be used about OS choice as well&#8230;</p>
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